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  1. I frozen i

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    I got temp banned a few days ago. But the day before I botted almost 14 hours straight at nmz.

    Should I ever risk nmz botting again? Was I just banned for playing 14 hours straight?

    At the very least could I attempt auto click alching to 99 mage without a ban?
     
  2. MrSaiyanfresh

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    i wouldnt auto click alching i just copped a 2 day ban for alching, funny thing was i have put so many hours in and never got caught but then soon after runemate has an client update i get pinged by the system, probably the new update to runemate client was running as detectable and like a fool i didnt wait to see if another update came ( it did as when i checked my client again it said something about the handshake has changed and to restart my runescape client ) new something was up as i got all of about 2 hours of alching in and boom, 2 day ban.
     
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    What he said ^
    I wouldn't recommend auto clicking on RS, fuck that shit.
     
  4. Vemena

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    Got a 48h ban aswell, an hour ago :/.
    Botted Thieving/Construction the past few days, and did some legit Hunter training.
     
  5. I frozen i

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    I got to 99 mage on two accounts by using garyshood. Autoclicking in my house on build mode
     
  6. MrSaiyanfresh

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    in house on build mode is exactly how i was caught alching, dont do it they can detect the client to some extent and any one who says otherwise are just denying fault. it is technically impossible to receive a manual ban in a locked build mode house portal but it is exactly how i was caught, message states they detected 3rd party software being used.

    Ive already had this arguement with some bot authors who claim undetectable but are just flat our denying faults in their program, i was alarmed by a message on my runemate client that stated something about a "handshake to runescape" because i was a fool and clicked out of the message i couldnt remember what it actually said but i found a log and it shows shows exactly 2 hours 29 minutes after my client had received a new update that a problem had arisen between the bridging of the runemate client and runescape client....suspiciously this time stamp shares the exact time i was banned from the OSRS system.

    Please take note this log isnt editted at any point, i think the previous update had made my client detectable and within 2 hours of running it Jagex pinged it, have already spoken to some authors as stated above about it and they claim UNDETECTABLE must of been my fault, In house on build mode with portal locked. tell me how am i at fault, i took every precaution possible AND some, was still caught by an automated system....not even a person....the system.
     

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  7. I frozen i

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    I probably wouldnt use runemate I'd use garyshood. And the real runescape client. That's probably how my runescape account got banned though, same way as you, I got perm banned a few weeks ago. On an almost maxed pure.
     
  8. Savior

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  9. Fabreze

    Fabreze #1 Fabric Cleaner

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    Fighting fire with fire, I havent been caught by either the automated system or a person with an almost 2k total level account which is 95% botted on, as well as several hundred hours of stress testing my own bots therefore the client itself is fully undetectable :D(this doesnt mean you won’t get banned though, just because a client is undetected doesn’t mean there arent other factors for bot detection, keep this in mind for any future rants in which you decide to draw uneducated conclusions)

    Also:
    OSRS - Max Cape Progress (100% botted)

    To reaffirm my above statement and hopefully stir your brain into a little thought, take a look at that guys stats and then explain to me, if you’re so certain the client is detected, why hasnt he been banned?
     
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  10. Dark sage

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    Runemate uses the official game client for the reason runemate doesn't do anything but read the cached game data and view the code, jagex tracks patterns and changes for inhuman like actions and playstyling... Someone playing 12+ at perfect xp rates that never change screams bot

    Do note this is an over simplified explanation of how RM works
     
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  11. Savior

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    weird assumption
     
  12. Dark sage

    Dark sage Dying Breed

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    More of an example lol
     
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  13. MrSaiyanfresh

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    Saying im drawing uneducated conclusions just further proves my point that bot authors are ignorant to the fact that it was detectable even for a moment....in my case was 2+ hours, What you linked is a moot point as even the user states a 6hr bot limit rest is played legit which isnt 100% botted again another instance of someone on this site using false claims of the product.
    There is a flaw in the product you use stop telling people it is undetectable if you yourself have no ideas on how the system to which you are claiming secure amnesty from actually works.

    You just make arrogant claims that some how prove your false endorsement even though there is a 30+ Page thread on the site forum of people who have been caught, All of which you believe are incompetent.

    You could say I made it my job to babysit my bot even am 100% confident in my statement when I say I am the #1 for safety concerning the fact but what caught me wasn't what caught the majority which is manual ban from a mod, I was caught by the automated system to which you ALL whom seemingly have the same forum tag >bot author< ( which translates to all who stand to lose $ if detection is revealed publicly as a problem at times ) believe to be IMPOSSIBLE.


    The only uneducated one here my friend is the one's who don't know 100% the system to which they endorse undetection against as how can you be 100% undetected and secure if you don't fully know what you are bypassing.

    As a simple metaphor for you my uneducated friend. One can not be safe under working conditions if one doesn't know ALL the conditions.
     

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  14. Dark sage

    Dark sage Dying Breed

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    Exactly how much of the client do you fully understand and know?

    You make these claims that the authors dont have a full understanding of how it works but do you?

    There is a reason Runemate uses the official game client which is due to fact there is no injection, or changes made to the game itself.

    RM reads cached data on runtime to know the current game state, after this it uses an external mouse/keyboard to make game interactions.

    99% of the bot/macro bans get the same generic message when banned regardless to if its a bot or auto mouse clicker

    Mouse clickers themselves aren't detectable its the actions performed

    Which is why its always stated that botting always carries a risk
     
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  15. MrSaiyanfresh

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    As you misunderstand which client im stating it is the OSRS client, To your question about my understanding of how it works NO i dont FULLY understand how it works and NEITHER does anyone here. Something all you bot authors are scared to admit ( not intentionally directed at you "dark sage" ).

    Even though they(runemate) are endorsing "undetectable" the automated system even stated a 3rd party program was used, thats pretty darn specific wouldn't you think? and no it doesn't govern the same message as i have seen other messages via friends suicide accounts etc. and one's that receive manual bans get a totally different song sung to them.

    Every bot author on this site has next to the same knowledge towards the jagex security system as the average user so based off such a meek understanding of the system how can you claim to be 100% secure if you don't fully know what you are actually hiding from? its a simple question to which anyone who stands to lose something by answering it truthfully and correctly are eluding to respond to and i wonder why, its because regardless of all your knowledge of computers coding etc.

    You draw as much conclusion to their methods as i do and all you can stand to do is ridicule anyone who disagree's with the sites statement of security.
     
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  16. Savior

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    holy crap dude just accept the fact that inhumane behavior was detected in your account's playstyle, and not runemate as a program being detected.
    They say they "detected 3rd party software" because any macro or bot or autoclicker falls under this category, stop nitpicking on terminology.
     
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  17. Fabreze

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    You clearly didn't read what I wrote above, and also I'm quite certain Dark Sage actually fully understands how RuneMate works. You drawing the conclusion that no one here understands how it works is exactly affirming what I said above, uneducated... It's useless to argue with you since you disregarded what I and others have stated above completely and clearly don't comprehend how the system works. We aren't ridiculing you by the way, just stating facts which you refuse to believe/acknowledge. Just because RuneMate as a client isn't detectable, doesn't mean Jagex doesn't have other methods to detect bots..... I don't think you fully understand what you're arguing here because client detectability and bot detection are two different things. RuneMate as a client is undetectable that is a fact, which means Jagex won't directly know that RuneMate is playing the game for you, however, Jagex clearly has other detection methods, likely pattern recognition systems which, as stated by Dark Sage above, can pick out bots from real players based on how the player is playing.

    All this chalks up to the fact that botting will never be safe and there is always a risk of a ban. There are multiple facets to bot detection *Fact*.

    If you would like to read up more on this subject there is plenty of past forums with similar questions being answered.

    I think it's particularly nicely explained here though: Ban Rates - How Safe is RuneMate?

    "As far as I know the client is undetectable, Jagex cannot determine the difference between someone running the RuneMate client and someone using the official client. This does not mean that Jagex cannot detect patterns within scripts bots themselves, among other things which can help them determine if you are a player or a bot. If your account is considered 'suspicious' by too many of Jagex's systems a ban can occur."
     
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  18. Dark sage

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    Which game version is irrelevant to the topic other then fact that osrs has a significantly higher ban rate.

    I did state that its a generic message when its a system/automated ban.

    Savior even stated, macroing, botting, auto mouse clicking even auto hotkeys all falls under 3rd party software.

    The argument no one fullt understands how it works and dismissing any other portion of a message is what causes people to become irrate and dismissive.
     
  19. MrSaiyanfresh

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    Why would i argue with people who dont even understand what they claim. further allowing me to compile evidence to false endorsement, again no one will answer the question to do they understand the system to which they are bypassing they just nit pick what i've said to draw attention away from the fact that they still dont fully understand a system from a game made popular back in 2007 after 12 years time, its a punch to the ego and its clear none of you want to admit flaws in your own knowledge because you stand to lose money if said fact is publicly made known, you really think runemate would have 1,700 users online if each and every user knew that a single client update can have all their efforts rendered useless?

    All savior can seem to do is ridicule my playstyle even though based off my next point is much less than by FAR and fabreze is acting like what he stated is 100% true even though the linked thread has the user even STATED it is not 100% botted and that he himself has a 95% botted account over 2,000 total level with HUNDREDS of HOURS stress tested blah blah blah which is considerably much less safe then my confidently, i put more REAL human hours into my account so it is NEITHER my playstyle or any fault of my own.

    So tell me fabreze how does a guy who claims more usage then me PROOF its undetectable? a 30+ Page thread of people CAUGHT is more proof to being detected then one user claiming 100% botted max account who then proceeds to undo his own statement a few comments later and you who also claims an account who has much more usage then my own.
     
  20. Fabreze

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    I already answered this question, please read up a little bit.

    Also, most users understand the risks that come with botting, that's why we still have 1,700 users still despite hundreds of forums on getting banned :D

    If you're really so bummed out about the fact that Jagex has a bot detection system in place and does a good job at keeping it a secret, instead of making yourself look like a complete idiot by arguing about a subject you clearly don't understand, just don't bot!
     
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